Core/Non-core Instances and Sysadmin Support

International Governance
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That proposal sounds good to me :+1:

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Thanks @lin_d_hop this indeed sounds great.

I only have FR’s figure in mind (low revenues, contribution in time which does not include sysadmin tasks), and therefore I’m a bit afraid we are starting something that won’t cover OFN’s global costs… But I can be wrong and therefore don’t want to block the process :+1:

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We already don’t cover OFNs costs. The goal is to create a stronger global community that all feel more invested in the global. Right now OFNs costs are covered because a few instances are so invested that they find the money. We need this to be all instances.

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@lin_d_hop exactly, but this is not what is asked in return for the full support. So shouldn’t we make it more clear?
Like for example: 40% of revenue or time + joining the fundraising circle?

Otherwise I’m afraid it’s still going to be the same instance that will carry the weight of finding funds.

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As a guide we expect instances to contribute 40% of their revenue or 40% of their time to global efforts, though this fluctuates and is commensurate to circumstance.

From the doc :point_up:
I’ll add ‘join the fundraising circle’. Good suggestion.

Feel free to make other suggestions in the doc directly :pray:

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I wonder if expecting some type of in kind (time) contribution is a fair expectation - even when an instance is able to contribute money? What do others think about the expectation that a core instance actively participates in at least one circle (in addition to the monthly global check in meeting?) - so could be fundraising, or support, or product…?

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@tschumilas From the doc:

  1. Demonstrable Commitment to the Commons
    This might come in the form of the contributions of funds to the global fundraising effort. It might come in the form of significant contributions to the commons knowledge base include the code, documentation, facilitation and governance. We expect instances to:
  • Participate in fundraising for OFN global by having a representative in the fundraising-circle
  • Contribute 40% of their revenue or 40% of their time to global efforts, though this can fluctuate and can be commensurate to circumstance.

Please make suggestions in the document directly instead of here on this thread. I’m not sure if people aren’t reading it or if the wording in the doc isn’t clear enough so suggesting in the doc directly would be very helpful :pray:

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Thanks everyone for the inputs on this process.

I know we are a ways away from actually rolling out this process but I’m just going to outline what I think the next steps are in the interest of having something to work towards.

  1. Proposal at Global Hangout to agree this new process, in the full knowledge that it is not yet perfect but can iterate.
  2. Work with instance managers to define a process that enables the instance managers circle to decide how instances:
  • Become approved for basic support
  • Become approved for full support
  • What happens if instances on full support fail to meet the community requirements
  • What happens if instances on basic support fail to meet the community requirements
  • How often these decisions are made
  1. Confirm where we are at. Based on the criteria defined about figure out which instances are currently on basic support? Which are on full support?
  2. Update the Super Admin Guide to reflect the changes and ensure global gardeners understand the new offer.
  3. Begin the process of any instances that are currently self-managed to move into basic support. This work needs to be sized and prioritised, so let’s not get ahead of ourselves :wink:
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just noting that at present there is only one name in the instance managers circle list - so until we have more joiners there, we can’t very effectively move forward on @lin_d_hop 's proposal above (which I totally concur with) please add your instance manager ---- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vc8W3QHl_oPJk4_oJP_mYJvIQ7wot8kLPlnX2Lp2gTo/edit#gid=0

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Hi everybody, I was looking for information on how to become approved for basic support and found this post. Has the criteria been already defined?

Our volunteer dev for OFN Brazil is having a hard time keeping up with all the releases (I wonder if he is taking more steps than needed to deploy the releases since it was supposed to be a quick thing) and we’re really lagging behind. If OFN BR could join the instances that have their releases deployed by the global team, that would be awesome. thanks!

@Matt-Yorkley @lin_d_hop

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Hi @thomaz

It was suggested last IM meeting that we look at this support as a Commons - meaning that there are Rights that you gain by being part of the Commons, in exchange for fulfilling your Responsibilities, things you do to maintain and be ensure the longevity of the commons.

I believe people in the instance managers circle are going to look at the Rights and Responsibilities of supported instances and will make a proposal. Earlier in this thread others have had a look at defining the Rights however to my knowledge there hasn’t really there is more to do to define the Responsibilities.

@konrad and @lauriewayne1 might be able to better guide you toward what is happening to define this.

Hope that helps :slight_smile:

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Thanks @lin_d_hop .

I fully agree with that approach and would be happy to help move the discussion forward :slight_smile: